Epic Levels

[RonHiler]

This is from the release notes:

Level Cap Increase: Epic Levels

• Players can now advance into Epic levels! You may now level your character to level 25.
• Character levels 1 - 19 are now known as "Heroic" levels. All levels 20+ are considered "Epic" levels.
• A character that reaches Heroic level 20 will automatically begin to accumulate Epic Experience, progressing through Epic character levels 21 through 25.
• Epic Experience required to level is identical for all characters, regardless of number of True Reincarnations. If a character's Heroic level drops below 20 (for example, through True Reincarnation), Epic advancement and all benefits related to it are suppressed. When the character reaches Heroic level 20 again, they will be returned.
• Epic Advancement provides a variety of benefits:
  • Characters gain +10 hitpoints at levels 21 - 25.
  • Characters gain a +1 bonus to all their skills at levels 21 - 25.
  • Characters gain an ability score increase at level 24.
  • Character saves increase by +1 at 22nd & 24th level.
  • Base Attack Bonus (BAB) increase by +1 at levels 21, 23, and 25
  • Characters may select a new feat at levels 21 & 24. They may select a feat from the existing Heroic feat list, or from the new Epic feats available for Epic level characters.

All in all, this doesn't look hard at all. The hardest part is going to be fitting the new levels onto the UI. I haven't the slightest idea how we are going to do that yet.

None of this are we going to worry about at the moment. This is something we will tackle for the second release. But really, in terms of programming, there is nothing to this.

[Seikojin]

I was thinking about this for a while, layout wise, I think I have a few ideas on the UI that may help for additions/changes.



Basically, the tabs can be anything you want to tweak/edit; levels, destinies, stats, feats, enhancements, etc. The gear page would always be up, and a combat stats block. Similar to the character sheets combat block, plus add a spell/combat dc area. Hopefully the combat area can be gear updated.

[Hordo]

These are the FEATS I've taken down so far...NOTE I've not made these "insert into planner-able" because the Epic Levels, including minimum level required, is not yet in the planner:

FEATNAME: Bulwark of Defense;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: When in a defensive stance, you gain an additional +2 to all saving throws and +4 Armor Class.;
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Combat Archery;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your Point Blank Shot bonus is increased by +1[W]. You also gain a 2% Dodge bonus while using a ranged weapon.;
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Point Blank Shot;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Epic Mental Toughness;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Increases your maximum spell points by 200.;
FEATTAG: Metamagic;
CLASSLIST: Paladin, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Mental Toughness; Feat Improved Mental Toughness;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Epic Skills;
FEATDESCRIPTION: As part of your epic training, you gain +1 to all skills. This feat can be acquired multiple times.;
ACQUIRE: Automatic.;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Epic Spell Penetration;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Adds +4 to your caster level check for defeating spell resistance (in addition to the +4 from the Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration feats).;
FEATTAG: Metamagic;
CLASSLIST: Paladin, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Spell Penetration; Feat Greater Spell Penetration;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Epic Toughness;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Increases your maximum hit points by 50.;
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
NEEDSALL: CON 21;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Great Charisma;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your powers of persuasion and leadership are greater than normal. Your charisma increases by 1. This feat can be taken multiple times.
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Great Constitution;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your health and endurance are greater than normal. Your constitution increases by 1. This feat can be taken multiple times.
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Great Dexterity;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your agility and coordination are greater than normal. Your dexterity increases by 1. This feat can be taken multiple times.
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;


FEATNAME: Great Intelligence;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your powers of reason and learning are greater than normal. Your intelligence increases by 1. This feat can be taken multiple times.
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Great Strength;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your muscle and physical power are greater than normal. Your strength increases by 1. This feat can be taken multiple times.
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Great Wisdom;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your willpower and insight are greater than normal. Your wisdom increases by 1. This feat can be taken multiple times.
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Improved Sneak Attack;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your sneak attacks are more deadly than normal. You gain +3d6 sneak attack damage.
CLASSLIST: Rogue;
LEVEL: 12; BUT MUST BE A MINIMUM LEVEL 21 TOON.
ACQUIRE: Train;
NEEDSALL: DEX 21;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

FEATNAME: Inspire Excellence;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: You can improve the abilities of your comrades through your performance. This song grants a +2 comptetence bonus to all ability scores to yourself and all allies near you. Requires 20 trained ranks (not total mod) of the Perform skill to use.;
CLASSLIST: Bard;
LEVEL: MUST BE A MINIMUM LEVEL 21 TOON.
ACQUIRE: Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Inspire Heroics;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;


FEATNAME: Overwhelming Critical;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: When rollign a 19 or 20 on an attack roll, your critical damage multiplier is increased by +1.
CLASSLIST: ALL:
LEVEL: MUST BE A MINIMUM LEVEL 21 TOON>
ACQUIRE: Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Great Cleave; STR 23;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16+, in-game;

[RonHiler]

Awesome, thanks Hordo. I can put these in tomorrow if you like.

I've commited a couple of builds today. It takes the planner to 25 (or at least parts of it, still have some stuff to do, but at least you can select through level 25).

[Hordo]

My one question that immediately springs to mind is how we are going to account for Epic Destinies, or are we coming out with a structural build first, then deal with EDs after?


EDIT: What I'm thinking is that because ED's are switchable and not a true static part of the build, I'd like to see if we could, possibly, have the planner choose the PRIMARY destiny and all three of the twists that would make the build it's maximum intended potential for posting on the forums. Just an idea.

[RonHiler]

Okay, these are in, mostly. I need to check to make sure the prereqs are working right.

For whatever reason, Epic Skills is not working. It's not going into the list automatically like it should. I don't, at this point, know why. It may be this is the first race based feat that is automatic beyond level 1. Although I think there is a warforged feat that it automatic at level 3. Grrr. I'm still working on figuring it out.

[RonHiler]

Hey Hordo, question about this feat

FEATNAME: Combat Archery;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your Point Blank Shot bonus is increased by +1[W]. You also gain a 2% Dodge bonus while using a ranged weapon.;
CLASSLIST: Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: TOTAL LEVEL MUST = 21 regardless of Split-Class Mix.;
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Point Blank Shot;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

Is that supposed to be Epic Combat Archery? Becuase there already is a Combat Archery feat (trainable at level 1). Also, you listed all 13 classes, but the regular Combat Archery only has eight of them (Paladin, Ranger, Cleric, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bard, Favored Soul, Druid). Are those lists right?

Also, this one:

FEATNAME: Inspire Excellence;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: You can improve the abilities of your comrades through your performance. This song grants a +2 comptetence bonus to all ability scores to yourself and all allies near you. Requires 20 trained ranks (not total mod) of the Perform skill to use.;
CLASSLIST: Bard;
LEVEL: MUST BE A MINIMUM LEVEL 21 TOON.
ACQUIRE: Train;
NEEDSALL: Feat Inspire Heroics;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-16, in-game;

What level of bard is required here? 12?

[Hordo]

re: Combat Archery...ignore that one...it is the same old Combat Archery. The faded out look of the unavailable feat made the Red look Purple and I mistook it for an epic feat.

re.Inspire Excellence...it doesn't say on my Character Sheet looking at Show Unavailable on the Feats Tab. I'll look on another toon and let you know.

ALSO TO BE ADDED...now that I'm on a Caster-toon and can see some other ones:

FEATNAME: Epic Spell Focus: <Insert Spell School Here>;
FEATDESCRIPTION: Epic Feat: Your spells from the <SCHOOL> school of magic are harder to resist, receiving an additional +1 bonus on save DCs.
CLASSLIST: Cleric, Bard, Sorcerer, Wizard, Favored Soul, Artificer, Druid;
LEVEL: 11, 16, 12, 11, 12, 15, 11; <PLUS MUST BE TOTAL LEVEL 21 MINIMUM>
ACQUIRE: Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train, Train;
NEEDSALL: Greater Spell Focus: <SCHOOL>;
ICON: NoImage;
VERIFIED: 2013-01-20, in-game;

That's my update so far.

EDIT: Checked on my 20 Bard/3 Epic and for Inspire Excellence it says exactly the same thing. Go figure.

[RonHiler]

Cool, thank Hordo.

I guess we'll assume level 12 requirement for now, until and unless someone says differently. I'll get those spell focus feats in tomorrow.

Do you think that's it for the feats? If so, I think we're nearly ready. I have to fix a bug where the screen doesn't update when you pick a 21-25 level, and a few misc bugs that have been reported (just quick text file stuff), but other than that, I don't see any holdups.

[Hordo]

I think that's it...if we discover more, just say "Hordo was piking on feat information collection"...the whole forums will buy that one